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(@charles)
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Jan 9, 2019 10:14 pm  

In Reentry, Kelly Taylor's brains were violently blown out. Point of No Return showed Harvey Stein committing suicide by jumping off a building.  Dead Reckoning brought us the deaths of Laurence Belson and Robert Vance. As for Belson, good riddance. I'm still not convinced that Vance is dead. At least, I don't want him to be.

With the Major's arrival in New York City, the series of events taking place in Crosswinds will likely lead to even more deaths. There's double-dealing, double-crossing, and possibly double-dipping going on. Which makes it double-likely someone will soon find him or herself in a body bag. 

But who will it be?

Fiona Clarke

She was a passenger on Flight 828. Her research was used to illegally experiment on her fellow kidnapped passengers. She receives a paycheck from the same people who conducted the torturous experiments.

It's obvious Clarke knows more than she has been willing to divulge. She's always at the right place and at the right time. She helped Team Ben find the second location of the hostages. She was present when the hostages were rescued. She was also responsible for immediately providing a safe haven for the freed hostages to hide out.

Either Clarke is being duped by the bad guys or she's being duplicitous. Either way, if she suffers Kelly Taylor's fate, it will not be a surprise.

Tim Powell

Tim Powell is not Robert Vance. That, and that reason alone, places him in mortal danger. Vance was no-nonsense, extremely cunning, and had powerful black ops connections. Not sure about Powell.

Powell was hesitant to help provide Ben with critical information regarding the Black Hawk helicopter. But he overcame his own self-inflicted suspicions and coughed up the information.

By doing so, it appears Powell has drawn the ire of someone who ranks high above his pay grade. He was last seen being involuntarily shoved into a Cadillac Escalade. Will he ever be seen or heard from again? Or not?

Autumn Cox

How Autumn ever boarded an airplane defies logic. Although, she had outstanding arrest warrants, she bought a ticket, received a boarding pass, and was successfully seated on Flight 828. Only to be arrested upon returning by Vance and later held hostage by Laurence Belson and his evil mad scientists.

Make no mistake. Autumn is disposable. Belson blackmailed her to spy on Ben Stone and others. She agreed. Then she had a change of heart and decided to renege on her deal by throwing her cellphone into the ocean. Little did she realize the deal she made was unbreakable.

Autumn was given a new cellphone and instructed the Major wanted to talk with her. She now faces a do or die situation. Of course, her situation is more perilous than that. It's more likely do and then die.

Danny (Smith/Jones/Doe/Blankman)

Let's be honest. Danny's only role can't solely be one where he is simply a controversial third-party love interest ... the unwanted fly in the ointment villain. His role has explode into something much bigger. 

He deserves a piece of the action. It doesn't matter if he's hit by bomb fragmentation, a bullet or bullets, or even stabbed in the back with a knife by a former jilted lover, he should be given a chance to die. Others have died and could possibly die. Why should he be given immunity from death? 

If he's not violently murdered or accidentally hit by a car and killed, perhaps he should follow Harvey Stein's example and jump off a building.

Main Character

The best way to boost ratings is to kill off a main character. On the other hand, the best way to permanently tank ratings is to kill off a main character. When it comes to killing off main characters, there has to be balance. So, which character has the most likely chance to die?

Of course, it's Ben. He's always involved in the dangerous situations. Same with Michaela and Jared. Is it possible the Grim Reaper will take one of the twins, Olive or Cal? Could Saanvi find her way into the afterlife? What about Grace? A lot of Champagne bottle corks would be popped if Grace dies next. But not me, I would cry.

What about you? Who do you think will die next? And here's a bonus question, who do you think should or deserves to die next? 


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Jan 10, 2019 3:14 pm  

I think Autumn Cox will die next. Whether she cooperates with the Major or not, she will be fatally terminated. She'll probably die of an alleged illegal drug overdose.

The person who should die is someone from one of the love triangles. Which means either Lourdes or Danny ... or both should be thrown off the boat in cement boots and swim with the fishes. As I see it, the love triangles are dead anyway.

Of course, the individual who deserves to die is responsible for kidnapping and torturing the 11 passengers. Marko, Paul, Autumn, et. al., will never be the same. So, who is responsible? The Major? Fiona Clarke?

The Major deserves to die solely for being the biggest and baddest of the bad guys. No offense meant to Grace. But the Major deserves to die a painful and excruciating death. And if Fiona Clarke is being duplicitous, she deserves to be hanged in the public square.


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Jan 15, 2019 12:58 am  

This question has been answered. Or has it? It was suggested that Bill Daley and Fiona Clarke died in a plane resulting from being shot down by F-16 fighter jets. Perhaps, the suggestion was a misdirection.

But I'm puzzled. Who would shoot down a nonthreatening civilian aircraft? No legitimate authority that I know. Then who would murder a helpless meteorologist like Dr. Roger Mencin. Circumstantial evidence points to the Major with Autumn Cox as a co-conspirator.

Mencin is dead. Fact. Daley and Clarke fall into the Robert Vance presumed dead category. Until the bodies are shown, it's always possible those who are alleged dead are possibly alive.


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Mar 12, 2019 7:13 pm  

If I had to choose between Zeke, Jared, and Michaela; I would choose Zeke to die. Jared is not directly involved with the Callings or the alleged "expiration death date." If Cal's 'tombstones' drawing is accurate, Zeke's time will be up in December. And if Zeke was to die before his expected expiration date; then June 2, 2024 would continue to be an end-of-life mystery for Ben, Cal, Michaela, Saanvi and the other 828 passengers.

Jared has to redeem himself before he dies. So does Michaela. Both need to live in order for redemption to take place. It has been strongly insinuated that someone got shot. What's the point of someone getting shot in a season finale if they don't die. Jared has already been seriously injured (at the Red Hook facility).  Michaela is one of the two main characters. She's not dying.  That leaves Zeke next in line to die.

(For the record. Cal's not always correct when it comes to his drawings. He still hasn't revealed the name of the mystery person in his family [portrait] drawing. Either that or the drawing is as meaningless as Danny's last name.)


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Mar 16, 2019 8:08 pm  

Michaela is definitely not dying, that's completely out of the running. The person I want to die is Jared, because he is the very worst person in the whole show, but I do have reason to think it will happen. Zeke is being built up too much as a main character next season to be killed at the start and of course Michaela is impossible, leaving Jared (if anyone dies).


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Mar 19, 2019 4:10 pm  

 Zeke is being built up too much as a main character next season to be killed at the start 

True. Very true. It would seem that when it comes to the writers' preference in promoting a main character; from all indications it appears that Zeke has replaced Jared as a featured attraction, albeit, probably temporarily.

 (if anyone dies).

This is what I fear most. No one dies. No one is permanently or physically disabled. No real consequences ... like someone dying or being confined to a wheelchair. If no one is killed in this scene, it's something that could've been held and used in the season 2 opener (as a flashback) ... or omitted from the script altogether. JMO.


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May 24, 2019 6:05 pm  

I'm willing to bet all of my stock and holdings in Unified Dynamic Systems that Danny will be the Grim Reaper's next victim. 


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May 24, 2019 8:06 pm  

It'll be the Major or UDS that ends up killing him too.


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May 22, 2020 6:55 pm  

It'll be the Major

I must confess. If I was lured into betting the Major would be killed instead of being the killer, I would have lost everything. Saanvi either gets the best courageous stalker award or the "stuck on stupid" award. What was she thinking before she fatally contaminated the Major, "You have 90 seconds to tell me everything I need to know about the cure for the death date ... or you will die?" 90 seconds? When under stress and duress? WTH?

The real casualty in the Major's death scene was the writing itself. Who will die next (other than more of the writing)? Zeke or Michaela? Actually, I'd jump for joy if they both died ... together ... in a plane crash.

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May 22, 2020 8:22 pm  

I must say I forgot about this thing before I got an email saying I was tagged, I actually liked that scene, and I definitely don’t want Zeke or Michaela dead.


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May 24, 2020 8:03 pm  

@schroeswald. I'm happy you responded. You have been missed.

I actually liked that scene

I don't begrudge you for liking the scene. But for me, Saanvi was my favorite main character, and I love the Major's character. Killing off the Major "ended" one of my two favorite recurring characters. Fiona Clarke is the other. Saanvi's unintentional killing of the Major stresses my ability to engage in any more suspension of disbelief. From where I sit, I don't see any creative or realistic way Saanvi's character can survive after killing the Major

and I definitely don’t want Zeke or Michaela dead.

To be honest, after the way seasons 1 and 2 have transpired, I'm no longer vested in any of the main characters. The emotional characterizations involving all of the characters have become too "soap opera" cartoonist-like for me. I'm not complaining; I'm only voicing my own self-centered opinion. 


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May 24, 2020 10:35 pm  

Saanvi is by far my favorite character, and I like the scenes execution, though I might end up disliking it if they don’t use this to do interesting things.


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May 24, 2020 11:26 pm  

Saanvi is by far my favorite character

Saanvi was my favorite character until her ability to have Callings was "easily" taken away. Then unfortunately her character was tasked with "accidentally" killing the most powerful villain on the show. I suppose, when compared to all of the other characters, Saanvi remains my favorite, albeit, not because how her character is currently being portrayed. 

I might end up disliking it if they don’t use this to do interesting things.

Out of curiosity, @schroeswald I'm intrigued by what you think they could do that would be interesting. Some of the things they have done have appeared to be interesting, like Saanvi's alleged Seat 3B "no show" ex-lover. But from my perspective, Saanvi's highly publicized love relationship turned out to be an unmitigated disappointment.

The relationship was nothing more than a married woman who had a "passing" romantic fling with Saavni. Someone who helped Saanvi with cancer research. But the woman, Alex, who Saanvi was allegedly madly in love with, had no plans to ever leave her husband. The only thing interesting about Saanvi's "ex-lover" and "love" affair is that it was all in Saanvi's mind. In my opinion, the writers have irreparably impugned the integrity of our favorite character, Saanvi. What do you think?  


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May 26, 2020 12:55 pm  

I have to agree with you, @charles  on the Saanvi characterizations, yes, plural. It will be interesting how they proceed with the character. Are they going to to somehow put her back on the path to 828 mystery solving? Are they going to take her further down the path of the crazy Dr. Hfuhruhurr (spelled just like it's sounds)? Are they going to kill her off? Who knows?

J. R. Ramirez in an interview prior to S2E11, I think said, "not everyone makes it out alive." What I have gleaned from these words of wisdom is that Mr. Ramirez is not high on my list of creditable witnesses. 

As for who will die next. Of the main characters, I would say Saanvi is on the list, Grace may be on the list, and possibly Jared.

I say Grace primarily because if I were the actor or my agent, I would be having serious discussions with the production team regarding the character development and script quality. Athena Karkanis, in my opinion has really been given a "less than starring" role in the show to date. She is capable of so much more. If I were her, I'd demand improvement or "kill me off so I can get a real role on another show." I personally would like to see her back on "The Expanse" as a significant character.

Jared's role seems to have evolved into total insignificance. Tell me, truly, what purpose does he serve? He'd be better off in a spin-off. "Lt. Vasquez, NYPD"

Saanvi, well, she's been turned into a nut case and the only reason to keep her around is to cause havoc. Maybe she and Evie's mom can share a room in the psych ward.

WTFO

Tom


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May 26, 2020 4:36 pm  

Are they going to kill her off? Who knows?

I agree @tjlevi. Who knows? But for me, if I'm to follow the story logically, death has its fangs tightly wrapped around Saanvi's throat. She no longer has Callings which means by the show's own established mythological rules ... her death is imminent ... or her death should have already taken place. Maybe she'll commit suicide or be "off'ed" by someone from the Major's team. 

Athena Karkanis, in my opinion has really been given a "less than starring" role in the show to date.

I 100% agree with your opinion. Athena Karkanis' talent and Grace's character have been a total waste. In my opinion, Athena's role on Manifest has done more to damage her career than to help it.

Jared's role seems to have evolved into total insignificance. Tell me, truly, what purpose does he serve?

Again, I agree. But how could anyone who's paying attention disagree. Jared goes from being Michaela's "soul mate" to the top of her "hate" list. He goes from allegedly being understanding; loving and caring, to being controlling and reckless. He kicks his wife, Lourdes, to the curb for the "love of his life," Michaela. Then Michaela kicks him to the curb and marries someone (Zeke) she doesn't really know anything about.

What's the significance of Jared's role moving forward? It would probably be better if he left town and tried to hook-up with Lourdes again. 

As for who will die next.

When it comes to the main characters, Saanvi is probably next to die. Grace should also be destined to die; the relevance and importance of her character have already died. Of course, Ben and Michaela aren't going to die. Nor will Olive or Cal. Killing off the kids would immediately "kill" the show. That leaves Jared and Zeke. If only the writers could come up with a creative way to have them "kill" each other ... I would be happy.


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