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Feb 23, 2019 6:49 pm  

Grace revealed to Ben she was pregnant. Neither of them knows if Ben’s the baby’s father or not. Danny could be the father. Then maybe not. So, based on what was presented throughout season one, who is more likely the father of Grace’s unborn child.

Let’s begin with the lesser of theories.

Grace is not pregnant

She has shown symptoms of being pregnant, but how does she factually know? Did she borrow one of Lourdes’ pregnancy test kits to confirm her pregnancy? Has a medical doctor been consulted to confirm her symptoms? The answers are she doesn’t … and no and no.

Being pregnant is part of Grace’s guilt-ridden imagination. She thinks she’s pregnant because she doesn’t want to be. Which would mean that it was nothing more than Grace being Grace; i.e., her typical mindless self-centered self.

In the interim, Olive will find out about her Mom’s (false) pregnancy and tell Danny. After Grace tells him she was never pregnant, Danny will not believe her and accuse Ben of forcing her to get an abortion. And here we go … again.

Danny impregnated Grace

If so, when and where did this miracle take place? Did she conceive immediately during the time Flight 828 touched down at Stewart Airport in Newburgh, NY? Based on the up-to-date accurate character time-lines I use at manifest828.com, it’s simple not possible.

The shock on her face revealed at the time she told Ben she was pregnant spoke volumes, and suggested something more sinister had happened. She and Danny had routinely practiced safe sex for 3-years. The Crusader-brand condom Ben found in the master bedroom shows that to be the case. So, what happened to change the script?

The answer is obvious. Grace secretly met with Danny after Olive’s Bluemercury shoplifting incident, had unprotected sex with him, returned home and started a fight with Ben. (104.23) See ChuckB’s comment here. Little did Grace realize that having sex with Danny one final and careless time would leave her pregnant with his child. Or did she even care?

Ben is the father of Grace’s unborn child

Grace refused to let Ben intimately touch her until he had found out about Danny from Olive. Ben even asked her point-blank if she loved Danny before he would later and unexpectedly meet the new man in his wife's life. (103.26) She deflected Ben’s question by saying that she still loved him. But never ever has said to Ben that she loved Danny or possibly loves Danny more.

Everything Grace has done or said to Ben about Danny has been either a secret or a lie. As already stated, she never told him about Danny until Olive blew her secret. She also told Ben he would never have to meet Danny because he was back. And she never told Ben that Danny stopped by the home when he and Cal were out. After kicking Ben out of the house, she also allowed Danny to remain for dinner after a physical confrontation between him and Ben.

So, why would Ben now trust his “recently redeemed” untrustworthy wife? Short answer, he should not. At least, not in the short run. It will become next to impossible for him to wrap his head around the circumstances surrounding his unpredictable wife's behavior as it pertains to her unexpected pregnancy.

Trust issues aside, Ben is father of his wife’s unborn child. A DNA test will conclusively prove it. The child will be born with special supernatural abilities. Then too, this unborn miracle may already possess the abilities needed to save his father, brother and aunt from an imminent date with death.

Ben and Grace’s unborn child will be the Holy Grail and Savior, not Cal. But only time will tell.

Ben and Danny are both biologically the fathers of Grace’s unborn twins

It’s calledheteropaternal superfecundation.” Although rarely occurring, this is a something that actually happens more often than realized.

And yes, I know. Grace already has twins. So what? In the community where I live, I personally know a woman who gave birth to both a set of triplets and twins. No in vitro fertilization method was used.

Why not “heteropaternal superfecundation?” Manifest has already introduced us to Dark Lighting and the extinct Phantom Shiner fish species.

Neither Ben nor Danny is the father of Grace's unborn baby

Immaculate conception? Unknowingly impregnated by an interdimensional time-traveler? This would definitely be an OMG Manifest moment. If this theory does turn out to be the reason for Grace being pregnant, she will have a whole lot of explaining to do. 

What do you think? Which theory passes the believability test?


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Feb 26, 2019 3:33 pm  

How about this as the opening scene in the first episode of season 2:

Ben, Grace, and Danny are onstage at the Maury Povich show. Michaela, Jared, Lourdes, Olive, Cal, Steve and Karen, Saanvi, the Major, Zeke, and Marko Valeriev are in the audience.

Onstage. Ben is sitting on one end and Danny on the other end with Maury and Grace center stage. Maury then makes the DNA announcement by saying, "With no further ado, the name of the father of Grace's baby's daddy is ..."

Ben immediately wakes up with tears in his eyes. He was simply having a bad dream. While this would be my dream opening scene for the season 2 premiere, I know it's something that would never happen. Especially not on the cardboard-cut character, humorless-written Manifest


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Mar 14, 2019 5:04 pm  

I don't know anyone in the entire sci-fi universe who thought that making Grace's character pregnant was a good idea. Absolutely no one, period, i.e., except for the show's writers. Actually, according to a Jeff Rake interview, the plan was for Grace to become pregnant earlier in the season? Which means ... WTH is going on?

As the incomparable sci-fi aficionado Schroeswald has said elsewhere, "the writers love Danny more than the rest of us." From what fans are now being told, the show's writers wanted Grace to become pregnant with Danny's baby before the pilot episode first aired.

But why? Writers can't be oblivious to the fact that the overwhelming number of fans immensely dislike Danny. Or are they? If they aren't aware how fans really feel about Danny, then Manifest has problems that simply can't be fixed.

Here's a theory that can be used to as a long-term fix for Grace's baby's daddy's problem. Set-up the circumstances surrounding the scene anyway showrunners want. But shortly after Grace gives birth, she has a severe case of postnatal depression, takes Danny's Chevy truck, and runs away alone to a remote cabin located upstate New York and it greeted by a raging DARK LIGHTNING thunderstorm. Danny has custody of the baby at the time. Because Grace is missing and thought to be dead, he expeditiously leaves town and mysteriously disappears (forever/never to be seen again). 

Grace returns with the same blood marker and brain activity as Ben and Cal weeks/months later with the Calling: "Own Your Truth." Cal draws a picture of a tombstone with Grace's name on it ... dated "June 2, 2024." This episode would be the show's mid-season finale. It's too bad this will never happen. Why? Because "the writers love Danny more than the rest of us."


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Mar 16, 2019 8:41 pm  

That theory sounds really interesting, I imagine that we would need a bit more to resolve Danny.

Oh and thanks for calling me an "incomparable sic-fi aficionado", Its really more that I know how things work and I've watched the things most similar to the show, I could also be bringing in my encyclopedic knowledge of Peanuts and the Star Wars Expanded Universe (yes, I do recognize that's sic-fi, just not that useful in this case) but that would be much less useful here.


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Mar 17, 2019 3:41 pm  

A better theory would be for Grace to have been mistaken about being pregnant. But, for some inexplicable reason they want Danny character's to become even more important in helping to solve the mystery behind the plane's disappearance. /sarcasm/

For me, as a fan of the show, comparing theories about Grace's pregnancy to Peanuts and the Star Wars Expanded Universe is more useful knowledge than writers ending the season without revealing Danny's last name.


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Mar 18, 2019 11:55 am  

And that my friends is how you write yourself out of a hole.

Well then, according to Peanuts babies come out three years old and before then pregnancy is unnoticeable, according to the EU the real father is Grace's childhood friend/crush and she's actually been pregnant for three months.


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Mar 19, 2019 1:06 am  

Thanks for sharing. You're truly gifted with a vast array of knowledge when it comes to the sci-fi genre and its various content.  

"Peanuts babies come out three years old and before then pregnancy is unnoticeable"

Grace was with Danny 3-years before she became pregnant with her third child. Perhaps the unused Crusader-brand condom Ben found in the master bedroom was an unnoticeable habit for Grace when it came to having safe sex with Danny. "according to the EU the real father is Grace's childhood friend/crush and she's actually been pregnant for three months."

As already stated, Grace and Danny were together for 3-years. Who knows. Maybe he once dated one of her former childhood or high school friends for 3-months. And for Grace not to know for certain who fathered her unborn baby, she had to have engaged in an almost-like "threesome."

Manifest appears to have sometime in common with Peanuts and the EU ... and that is the number 3. The same number of connections it takes to construct a triangle. As for Grace, her unborn baby, and the baby's daddy; one man in her life will be theoretically left outside of this triangle ... trapped in an invisible box ... on the outside looking in.


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Mar 19, 2019 11:17 am  

And and and,  it connects more,  Lost has three characters with more than one hundred appearances survive, and four of them survived until season six (which is double three), and that is one more than three, and one of the Numbers, and five characters have one hundred appearances, which is one more than four and three less than another Number, eight, even better, there are twenty-seven main characters ever, and that is three, to the third power. And in Once Upon a Time, three characters are main from Seasons 1-7, and one more from 2-7, everyone else from 1-6 are on the outside looking in. In Cheers three characters appear in every episode, and one more is a main character for the hole show. And in the musical Dear Evan Hansen, the title character sings about being on the outside looking in, and who knows an Evan, this guy! (I could find a way to do even more but I figured that was enough).


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Mar 19, 2019 1:50 pm  

I sincerely apologize. Your vast knowledge of entertainment content extends far beyond the sci-fi realm. If I'm ever in a team competition, I would want to be on your team.

Here's another theory as to how Grace's baby's dilemma possibly could be resolved. Which also involves the number 3Danny's wife Nina was lost at sea during a DARK LIGHTNING storm. She returns and discovers Grace has given birth to Danny's baby.

In a fit of scorned rage, Nina kidnaps the baby and flees town. Grace has to choose between going with Danny in pursuit of Nina and the baby; or staying and helping Ben and Cal avoid doomsday. This would create another dilemma. But this one would be slightly better or worse than having Grace pregnant in the first place.

But I'm sure the brain trust at Manifest could manage it in an outstanding manner. Since we have already been taken so painfully far down the soap opera road with the Grace and Danny storyline there is no returning to normal, why not simply go all the way ... and all out?

They can either write themselves out of the hole by stating Grace was mistaken about being pregnant or do the Nina baby kidnapping thing. I like the former much better than the latter. I don't understand why they continue to destroy Grace's character at the expense of forcing Danny's character on a resistant audience. But opinions like mine don't matter. Other than to stop watching the show, fans like me aren't given a vote as to what happens.


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Mar 19, 2019 2:37 pm  

Just going all in on the absurdity is the best way to deal with stuff like this, it's why Season 6 of Lost worked, it fueled most of the comedy of later seasons of Glee, so I propose instead of just making it soap-opera like, they just turn it into a daytime soap, that way we get more Manifest, they get to go as long as they want with as much filler as possible, the absurdity will be expected,  and ratings will be fine (only half-kidding).


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Mar 23, 2019 2:23 pm  

Just going all in on the absurdity is the best way to deal with stuff like this, it's why Season 6 of Lost worked, it fueled most of the comedy of later seasons of Glee, so I propose instead of just making it soap-opera like, they just turn it into a daytime soap

I agree. Your comments always make sense out of the nonsense. Even when you're only half-kidding, you're 100% correct.

If or when Danny's announced as Grace's baby's daddy, I look forward to Olive inviting him to move back into the house to live with her and Grace ... happily being part of the family along with Ben and Cal. Ben wouldn't object because he thinks it's unfair of him to ask Olive and Grace to give up on making Danny an important part of their lives.


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Apr 19, 2019 3:37 pm  

When it comes to theories about Grace's baby's daddy, it will be either this for Danny ... or this for Ben ... or perhaps Grace's story will simply end up here.


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Apr 24, 2019 11:55 am  

Danny Will Be Revealed As The Father Of Grace’s Baby

The fan theory that Grace is pregnant was confirmed in the season one finale. It is widely suspected that Danny is the father rather than Ben. Ben has only been back for six weeks and it seems as if Grace is further along in her pregnancy than this. The love triangle between the three has been going on for the entire first season and so it would be good to see the situation resolved one way or another. Fan forums are full of theories about what is going on with Grace’s pregnancy.

Source: www.tvovermind.com, 10 Predictions We're Making About Manifest Season 2.


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Apr 26, 2019 5:47 pm  
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Danny Will Be Revealed As The Father Of Grace’s Baby

The fan theory that Grace is pregnant was confirmed in the season one finale. It is widely suspected that Danny is the father rather than Ben. Ben has only been back for six weeks and it seems as if Grace is further along in her pregnancy than this. The love triangle between the three has been going on for the entire first season and so it would be good to see the situation resolved one way or another. Fan forums are full of theories about what is going on with Grace’s pregnancy.

Source: www.tvovermind.com, 10 Predictions We're Making About Manifest Season 2.

Wow, that is a super boring fluff story.


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May 15, 2019 6:29 pm  

I wouldn't be surprised when season 2 airs in 2020 if Grace's baby has already been born and is walking and talking ... and having callings of its own if Ben's the father. If Danny's the baby's daddy, I wouldn't be shocked if he had moved in next door ... with his Chevy pick-up and sports car parked in the driveway. /sarc/


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May 17, 2019 9:33 pm  

I think they will probably not have much of a time gap between the new season, the show's already pretty far behind where we actually were at the season finale.


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May 19, 2019 12:48 pm  

I wasn't  being serious in any literal context. I was trying to be sarcastic (sarc) ... a trait in which I definitely need more practice and development. 

I'm still seething over the "Grace is possibly pregnant with Danny's baby storyline" along with being displeased about Game of Throne's "Daenerys Targaryen's 'madness switch" suddenly being 'flipped on' in the destruction of King's Landing as it involved the murderous roasting of innocent men, women, and babies by her dragon, Drogon" storyline.

The difference between Manifest and GoT is that Manifest is still trying to get off to a successful start after one season and GoT is ending an 8-season run with what will probably be one of the most successful, record-breaking runs of any series in broadcast history.

the show's already pretty far behind where we actually were at the season finale.

I agree. I'm fully aware that nothing is ever perfect ... and that nothing in the future will be perfect. But sometimes it appears as if the producers and writers aren't watching or paying attention to their own on-screen product. Manifest is a thought-provoking story that requires the use of critical thinking skills. Fans, especially sci-fi fans, are not dumb or stupid. 

The entire series is based on time ... time travel ... time distortion ... time given ... and time taken away. It does nothing for the the show's credibility when producers and writers randomly throw plots and subplots at the story's mysteries, and then expect the audience to overlook all of the gross mistakes. Especially when those mistakes involve the overall time-line itself. 


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May 21, 2019 4:48 pm  

I see that I missed the /sarc/ or I just assumed only some of it was a joke, I don't really remember what I was actually  thinking when I wrote so I have to assume I didn't see the /sarc/ but I did realize that at least parts of it were jokes, though at least my response to is still valid as a theory on its own.


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May 22, 2019 1:18 pm  

I didn't view your comment as being anything other than insightful and accurate. I just didn't want you or anyone else to misinterpret what I had previously stated as me being serious. It's easy to miss /sarc/ tags. If I had a dollar for the ones I missed, I'd be able to buy as many Dollar Store products as I wanted.


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May 24, 2019 3:05 pm  

All theories aside, what is compelling about Grace being pregnant? It's not like she was impregnated by a Cylon (Battlestar Galatica) or by a member of the Borg collective (Star Trek: TNG). Soap opera Baby Mama Drama has its place when it comes to storytelling, but how is Grace's pregnancy relevant to storytelling involving the solving of a supernatural mystery?

This will be the challenge writers must overcome, i.e., convincing everyone the benefit of Grace being pregnant is worth the cost of pursuing this particular storyline. Time will tell. And fans will have no problem loudly voicing their opinions ... one way or another.

 


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May 24, 2019 8:02 pm  

I think the point is to try to develop the family relationship between everyone, to show what amazing love they have and how they can overcome anything, only to eventually make the point moot when The Major kills Danny for the tragedies.


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May 26, 2019 5:04 pm  

 ... to show what amazing love they have and how they can overcome anything, ...

Thanks. Other than overcoming the impending June 2, 2024 expiration date, Danny is one of the dangers overshadowing the Stone family. Whether writers intended or not, his character will never be viewed in a positive light. His character has already been portrayed by some fans as being too creepy and perverted ... with likely underlying mental problems ... to be rehabilitated.

Making him an outright villain makes more sense than continuing to vaguely (shades of gray) portray him as possibly being a criminal opportunist "maybe" whose ulterior motives were to bend and mold Grace and Olive to his will before he had actually met them. JMO

Criminal opportunist or not, Danny must die. It doesn't matter if he dies a hero (trying to save Grace and Olive or the baby) ... or dies as a villain (trying to harm Cal or Ben) ... but when it's all said and done, he must die. Whether he's deemed hero or villain, I also think he will die at the hands of the Major.


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Jun 25, 2019 6:08 pm  

Another theory on Grace's baby's daddy is that the pregnancy itself should have never happened. So why did it happen? Divine intervention? Alien abduction? Immaculate conception? Or is some unknown sinister evil responsible for Grace's pregnancy?

Here's the answer, according to showrunner Jeff Rake:

The writers and I thought about frontloading the idea of Grace’s pregnancy early in the season and let that be a challenge that Ben and Grace deal with, even as he’s just settling back into life at home.

And then there's this:

Between the studio, network and writers’ room, we came to the conclusion that there was so much going on that might have felt like we were gilding the lily.

Absolutely brilliant. Pure genius. Too much going on when "settling back into life at home." But not enough going on when it's discovered that half of the frakkin' family is scheduled to die by June 2, 2024. Or to be precisely correct. To die again?

Congratulations. Manifest fans and supporters everywhere (including the studio and network) should cheer and applaud the writers unwavering commitment regarding their theories on Grace's pregnancy.


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Jan 17, 2020 3:48 pm  

Someone give me a trophy, I called it. But before I pat myself on the back, I have to admit the truth. If a zillion theories are thrown against the wall, the chances of one of them sticking, at a minimum, is at least one percent. So here is one of the zillion theories I presented after S1 had ended:

... Ben is father of his wife’s unborn child. A DNA test will conclusively prove it. The child will be born with special supernatural abilities. Then too, this unborn miracle may already possess the abilities needed to save his father, brother and aunt from an imminent date with death.

So, Ben is the father. No more discussion. End of story. Wait. Hold on. Not so fast my friends. Until Saanvi says so, it ain't so. She was shown with a copy of the DNA parental confirmation paperwork in her hand. We only assumed that Ben's name was on it. Unless someone can actually prove Ben's name was definitely on the paperwork, it's not over 'til it's over.

The name on the paperwork could have been Zeus himself. He's been known to seduce a woman or two on occasion. Why would Zeus treat Grace different? I'm sure he would immensely enjoy satisfying her intimate needs and hearing her scream ... oh God ... oh God ... oh God ... over and over again.

Btw why didn't we, the audience, get to actually see Ben's name on the DNA paperwork. Why do the intriguing subplots to the storylines always have to be kept secret and hidden from the audience? We in the viewing audience had no choice but to notice that during Saanvi's therapy session, the Major had clearly and unmistakably written the words "DNA Sequencer" on her notepad. Saanvi's paperwork. Nothing. The Major's notepad. Whoomp there it is. What was more important the paperwork or notepad?

Ben and Grace’s unborn child will be the Holy Grail and Savior, not Cal. But only time will tell.

Of course, this is simply the part 2 version of "Ben is Grace's baby's daddy theory." Just maybe, once the baby's born, he or she will rapidly age; quickly becoming an adult ... and "be revealed as the mystery figure" in Cal's drawing. There is, however, one indisputable fact buried within all of the wild speculation and guessing when it comes to Grace's child being the Holy Grail and Savior ... and, i.e., "time will tell." 


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Jan 22, 2020 9:35 pm  

Many of us watch television, especially science fiction, to temporarily escape reality. To unburden our minds and enjoy the possibilities of the impossible. But unburdening our minds doesn't mean ... even in the fictitious world of television ... we must stop thinking. 

Here's a question I posted on another comment that's relevant to the forum topic here:

When exactly did Grace become pregnant with the baby she's carrying?

Whether it's a comedy, drama, or sci-fi series; the timelines within the storylines are what condition the mind to believe that "what is impossible is always a possibility." More often than not, when those seeking answers aren't provided the answers they seek in a timely manner ... they either stop looking for the answers they seek ... or decide to "unburden their minds" and search for the "impossible possibilities" they seek elsewhere.

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Feb 8, 2020 2:34 pm  

Who do Grace's neighbors, friends, and coworkers think is her baby's daddy? Grace can no longer hide her pregnancy. And why would she try? Being pregnant is a bridge that Grace has crossed and it's a bridge which can't be uncrossed. 

Here's the deal. Grace's neighbors, friends and coworkers knew that her and Danny had been shacking-up for the last 3-years. They also know that as soon as Ben returned, Grace immediately kicked Danny out of the house. And then what happened? Within weeks, Grace is pregnant.

Did she tell her close friend and coworker, Rob, about her being pregnant? What about her attending Yoga class for pregnant women? Does Rob know? Of course, he does. If would require a complete suspension of belief to think otherwise. I'm anticipating the time when Danny accidentally "bumps" into Grace leaving one of Yoga classes.

Let me be brutally honest. I don't like Danny. But I'm not the one who placed him in Grace's life. And just because I don't like his character doesn't mean I want his storyline to end without resolution. For me, Grace's pregnancy is Karma playing its role in not being nice to her. Grace is the one who couldn't wait to throw that Lourdes was trying to get pregnant in her sister-in-law's, Michaela's, face. Now, Grace has to face the speculation of who her neighbors, friends, and coworkers think is her baby's daddy. Even if she tried to prove Danny wasn't her baby's daddy, who would believe her? Rob? He already told her that he thought she was cheating on his friend, Danny. Why would he think she's telling the truth if she tells him Danny's not the baby's daddy?


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Feb 16, 2020 10:25 pm  

Grace knows approximately the day and time she got pregnant. She also knows exactly when she had sex with Danny. The same goes for Ben. She didn't have sex with Ben until 7-days after he returned. And based on her behavior after Olive's shoplifting incident, she had sex with Danny that day; two days after she had sex with Ben.

At first, Grace didn't want to know who was the father of her unborn child. She wanted to wait until the baby was born; and then determine whether Ben or Danny was the father. Then she changed her mind and decided she wanted to know 100% whether Ben or Danny was her baby's father. Here's how that works:

All it requires is a cheek-swab DNA sample from the possible father and a small blood sample from the mom, so it doesn’t pose any kind of risk to the mother or baby. The technology is extremely reliable and can be depended on to return a 99% or higher probability of paternity if the man tested is considered the biological father or a 0% probability of paternity if he is not.

Of course, Grace (or the baby) refused to allow the nurse to take a blood sample from her, the baby's mom. Why? Because Grace had a Calling which demanded that she end the DNA test? Saanvi would later take a blood sample from Grace because as Grace said, the baby had no problem with Saanvi taking the blood sample.

The two subplots involving Grace's blood samples are worth noting and require the use of one's critical thinking skills. The blood sample was taken from Grace. Not Ben. Or Danny. All that was needed from Ben and Danny was a cheek-swab DNA sample. Grace's blood sample represented the mother and child ... not the father. So, why did the baby object to the nurse taking Grace's blood and not Saanvi? Did Ben get his cheek swabbed? If he did, it wasn't shown. What about Danny, was the plan to do Ben first; and if that didn't work out, then swab Danny's cheek?

I completely understand that many of the plots in this show are science fiction and shouldn't be taken seriously. However, if this is the work product the producers and writers are trying to sell to the audience, i.e., Grace is pregnant and is now having Callings; then present quality narratives and realistic storylines. I just guessing here. But the reason some fans have stopped watching Manifest is because they no longer think those responsible for producing the show are paying attention to the details in their own work product.


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