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(@tjlevi)
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Mar 26, 2020 11:34 am  

There is a TV editor name Tracy Palmer who writes for the "Signal Horizon Magazine." Her article is insightful for the most part but at one point she makes the following observation:

"The three shadows from the Book of Revelations are from the Dragon, The Beast, and the False Prophet. It is from Revelation 16:13. It speaks of the triad which makes up the anti-trinity. They are in direct opposition to the holy trinity and their purpose is to usher in a new age of Satan and Hell on Earth. The False Prophet looks innocent and uses his appearance to charm those around him. Together the three spirits are powerful. It’s unlikely the three meth dealers are the ani-trinity because none of them are charming enough. It would not surprise me to find the False Prophet is someone we have already met. As much as I hate it, my money is on TJ."

Maybe I missed something or she forgot to watch the last 5 minutes of the show but, the only flaw in this assumption is, that if we believe the three shadows represent the quote for Rev., then we already know who the shadows are, the three drug dealers. and T. J. is not one of the drug dealers.

There is also the assumption that the "False Prophet" is male. I'm not ready to buy that. Who is the most innocent and charming character on the show. Yep, little Eden. She currently channels her callings through her mother but she will eventually grow up. Just not ready to tag T. J. as the "False Prophet." Maybe he is maybe he isn't just not enough there to tag him.

I'm not so sure we will ever know who the "False Prophet" is. Do we know who the "Holy Grail" is? I don't. I would not be surprised that is S3 we hear nothing about a "False Prophet" just like is S2 we have heard nothing about the "Holy Grail." Such is the nature of the show. I suppose I will not worry about it.


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Mar 26, 2020 1:37 pm  

Yep, little Eden.

If little Eden isn't the False Prophet or the World Savior, what was the purpose of her being born? To promote Baby Mama Daddy drama? It's assumed that Ben is Eden's dad because Grace had callings during her pregnancy. Was there ever any DNA confirmation that Ben's the baby's daddy? Who knows? The original shadow in Cal's drawing could be Eden's father. Then too, we know absolutely nothing about Danny. He could be an evil shadow who is little Eden's father. Why not? At its core, Manifest is a sci-fi show. 

... S2 we have heard nothing about the "Holy Grail."

Congress even secretly funded money to search for the "Holy Grail." Either Congress wasted tax dollars or the writers have decided to replace the "Holy Grail" with Yusuv Al-Zuras' Journal? Or with something which has yet to be determined? In the end, the question remains, "where in the Hell is the Holy Grail."


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Mar 26, 2020 1:58 pm  

I'm 99.9% sure that Eden is Ben's kid. First is this screen shot from S2E2 when the creepy lab tech walked into Saanvi's lab and she closed her laptop and picked up this paternity report.

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Second are the interviews with Rake and other cast members who confirm that Ben is the father. these folks deceive but usually don't out and out lie.

The reference to the three shadows in Rev. are the Beast, the Dragon, and the False Prophet and were revealed a the three drug dealers. Not sure which one is which but maybe the interrogation may reveal that. So baby Eden is out as the False Prophet. Maybe the "Holy Grail" which is the "Elijah Cup" in the Passover feast. There are 3 other cups in this ceremony as well. Maybe a quick refresher of the Passover may glean some truth. It's been a while for me.

Okay, I'm just rambling so I'll put my thoughts together and call Mary Grace who is more up to date on our Jewish stuff and post later.

 


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Mar 26, 2020 2:48 pm  

I'm 99.9% sure that Eden is Ben's kid.

It's highly likely that Ben is the baby's daddy. When it comes to brainstorming delusional theories, I can sometimes be just as ridiculous when it comes to predicating outcomes as the writers.

these folks deceive but usually don't out and out lie.

True. While it's no longer relevant, one thing about the birth of baby Eden continues to puzzle me. It's something Jeff Rake said:

The writers and I thought about front loading the idea of Grace’s pregnancy early in the season and let that be a challenge that Ben and Grace deal with, even as he’s just settling back into life at home.

Grace becoming pregnant earlier in S1 would have been game-changing. It would have directly has an effect on Orlena Prager getting pregnant in Jamaica by Finn Nowak and giving birth to Theo when she returned home. The birth of Theo when comparing the previously planned birth of Eden is also one of the reasons why I now no longer pay any attention to what Jeff Rake says.

So baby Eden is out as the False Prophet.

Thanks. This is good to know. But here's what concerns me; the writers don't always follow the rules of conventional society; and more often than not, they will abandon logic in situations where logic is needed most. Abruptly abandoning the helpless catatonic patients and abandoning the taxpayer-funded search for the Holy Grail are two examples.

I'm not arguing or disagreeing with what's happening. Just trying to wrap my head around what's going on.

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