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Nov 27, 2018 1:56 am  

Robert Vance may have sometimes appeared to behave stupidly, but he's no dummy. Well, as least not a dummy in the conventional sense of the word.

He knew that one of his NSA subordinates was a mole. After his deputy, Tim Powell, tried to persuade him not to follow Ben's Stone photographic evidence about the first hostage location, Vance ignored Powell. Way to go Vance

Not only did Vance discover concrete evidence at the location about the hostages, fresh blood on a band-aid, he later dumped Powell and brought Ben on board. As the saying goes, "you got to know when to hold them, and know when to fold them." It was definitely not a dummy move on Vance's part to dump Powell.

What magical cards does Vance continue to hold up his sleeves, if he's still alive? Is it a coincidence that he's prominently known by Captain RiojasMichaela and Jared's boss? Who else higher up the national security "black ops" food chain is he associated with?

Vance is definitely not friends with the spooks who showed up at Grace's backyard barbeque harassing her. And he's not friends with the secret covert operation criminals who are responsible for kidnapping, torturing, and covering up the blatant crimes that continue to be committed against the 828 passengers.

But make no mistake, Vance is not without capable resources. The bad guys didn't know about his capability to covertly use a well-armed highly trained tactical team. Nor did any mole have a chance to warn them before Vance's specialized operators kicked the bad guys' doors in. 

When Riojas informed Michaela that Vance had died she didn't believe it. She stated that she had witnessed Vance being put in an ambulance ... alive?

Vance is so strait-laced that he has at times appeared to have behaved stupidly, but he's no dummy. No one can legitimately argue that Vance is a bad guy. He's a first class spy who will always do the right thing when it comes to defending his country ... against all enemies foreign and domestic ... whether they're extraterrestrial aliens or beings from a different space-time dimension.

He could actually be dead. Then there's the possibility he's not. Anything is possible. After all, there continues to be a very good reason for Cal saying that Vance is a good guy. 


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Jan 17, 2019 6:58 pm  

It's time to give everyone something to stand up and cheer for. Bring Robert Vance out of seclusion and get him back into action.

Ben and Mick will need all the help they can muster in their fight against the Major. There's no one in the world better suited to assist them than Vance.

As a government employee, Vance may have been a little slow and rigid when it came to looking outside the box. But he has no problem operating outside the box when it comes to defending his country. And will not hesitate to go to war against anyone who threatens the security of the nation and its citizens ... including the Major and her allies.


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Apr 27, 2019 12:16 pm  

I'm convinced that Robert Vance didn't die. Unlike Kelly Taylor, no dead body was shown. There was no traditional open-casket funeral, only a memorial service (110.6). And unlike Harvey Stein, Michaela last witnessed that Vance was alive (109.19).

Capt Riojas said Vance didn't make it. Didn't make it where ... to the season finale? Please bring Bobby Vance back. And stop mindlessly killing the storylines of fan favorites like Robert Vance ... and Fiona Clarke ... and Autumn Cox ... and Marko Valeriev. And definitely get rid of Danny's character and whoever thought it was better for the series long-term to keep that character instead of Robert Vance's.


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Apr 27, 2019 5:33 pm  

Looking back on this, I doubt that they planned to put Vance in much of this while they made the Pilot and by extension the plan of the show, after all he was originally a co-star. They realized that they liked Daryl a lot so they replaced the investigator they were using in their path for the first half of Season 1, just adding him more and more as they liked him more, they planned on writing the character off at the midseason, but since they'd made this character so integral to the plot that writing off wouldn't work but couldn't completely change the plot to continue him, they killed him off, but since it was added imperfectly we keep thinking they want to continue him (just a note, this is pure speculation and I don't at all want it to be sure, but its what I'm seeing).


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Apr 28, 2019 1:08 pm  

I agree with your speculation regarding Robert Vance's character.  As fans, many of us keeping hoping (with fingers and toes crossed) Vance's character will reappear. There's a nominal chance for this happening, albeit highly unlikely based on the reasons you've stated. 


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Apr 28, 2019 3:43 pm  

This also the same chance of us seeing too much more of Bethany or Riojas doing anything, in their first episodes (likely the ones they had initially signed on to) they were co-stars, as they liked them they increased the role (Riojas might eventually get an episode or two later in the show depending on the length of seasons and show), maybe we'll eventually fill in with Thomas because he was probably in the script being important with someone else and they liked Bethany so much they changed it.


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May 1, 2019 4:52 pm  

When it comes to the writers' scripts involving plots, I think it's a shame ... and without any consideration for fans whatsoever ... that Francesca Faridany and Elizabeth Marvel never had a chance to appear on screen together. I realize that writers can't please 100% of all fans 100% of the time.

But not including Fiona Clarke and the Major together in a scene appears to have indicated either a lack of imagination or incompetence involving the continuity of storytelling. Not only did Robert Vance's character come to an end at Red Hook, so did Laurence Belson's character. Belson was in charge of the Singularity Project.

Both Clarke and the Major were involved with Belson through the Singularity Project. And these two prominent female characters were both deeply entangled in the mysterious Singularity Project together ... operationally and financially.

Will Faridany and Marvel ever appear on-screen together in the future? The chances of this happening are probably equal to or less than Bethany Collins and Capt Riojas' characters being provided with roles involving more substantial on-screen opportunities. 


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May 1, 2019 6:09 pm  

Tony Diaz has had a larger singular plot than Riojas. And yeah, I agree with everything there.


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May 8, 2019 1:28 pm  

What do you think about Danny's character? Personally, I would have preferred them keeping Robert Vance's character and getting rid of Danny's character. No offense meant to Daniel Sunjata. But I like Vance's character infinitely more than I do Sunjata's Danny. Obviously, when it comes to Vance and Danny, Jeff Rake and his writers disagree with my preferences and views.


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May 9, 2019 8:40 am  

Danny is just fine, not really interesting, but I don't hate him, its just annoying that we keep seeing him as opposed to everyone else who is more interesting.


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May 10, 2019 3:26 pm  

Thanks for replying. I appreciate and value your opinions and views when it comes to the show's characters, especially a character like Danny.

When it comes to Danny's character, I'm in Alicia's camp. She previously stated on this site elsewhere, "I'll be the first to admit I absolutely can't stand the Danny character." Unlike Robert Vance, et. al., I not only see him as an annoyance and not being interesting, I see him as being a creepy and excessively shady character.

My favorite on-line publisher and writer, Cathy Munson-Klein, wrote this about Danny:

Danny is creepily possessive of Olive and Grace, while telling Ben that he's not: classic gaslighting. We know for sure that he's got Olive cheating on her biological father with him and feeling guilty about it. Is she cheating on her mother with him, too? And what has he said to her to convince her it's okay? He has a knack for always calmly saying the "right" thing, so that anyone who becomes emotional or disagrees with him appears to be unreasonable. Again, classic gaslighting technique. 

Danny is an enigma. The viewing audience knows nothing about him. His last name? What he does for a living? How his wife Nina died? Nothing about him is known at all. Nada. Zilch. I completely agree with you. Characters like Lena Rasmussen (106.22) and others who first made Robert Vance aware that something was wrong are far more interesting than Danny.

Thanks, Schroeswald, you're the best.


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