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(@marygrace)
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Jul 27, 2020 7:20 pm  

What do we know coming from S2 into S3? I'll list a few and feel free to add to the list. This what we KNOW!

  1. We know that Zeke died but was brought back to life by something. Was it the light? Was it Cal? Bottom line is that there is a way to beat the death date. Another problem with this revelation is, what does Michaela do now. Was the marriage a "mercy" marriage to a guy who is supposed to be dead? Now she has to live with the guy and if her goal was to patch things up with Jared, that goal is a little bit more difficult to reach.
  2. Saanvi is a murderer, at least in her own mind and I assume in Vance's mind. What is known is that we saw a murder. There is the possibility that Saanvi was setup and the Major know her plan a already taken the antidote and faked her death. Not sure but the fact that she was walking around in New York, somewhere, without security is a little fishy for an official of her stature. I would not be surprised if this turns out to be a scam.
  3. Daley and Clarke are still gone, fact. The conventional wisdom is that Daley found a "worm hole" or whatever and they have time traveled. There was no wreckage found so it's not likely that the missiles found their mark. On the other hand, air-to-air missiles do no explode unless they hit something, at least that's my understanding so what caused the missiles to explode?
  4. Olive's boyfriend, T. J., is off to the Middle East somewhere, Egypt as I recall. She is now without a love interest. There a 2 possibilities that I see for Olive. First, when Zeke was getting sicked and sicked, Olive seemed be by his bedside fairly often. This is a long shot but maybe she started a relationship with Zeke under Michaela's nose. Long shot. Then there is her "he's my father too." Maybe she starts her relationship with that guy again. Of course we really do not know what that relationship was. Maybe we with find out.
  5. Grace and Ben now have a baby with whom to contend. This would be difficult to manage under normal circumstances but Eden is very special and will be a target for many groups and organizations. Grace and Ben will need protection to keep her safe. I could see the NYPD creating a special task force to look after the passengers and their families. I could see one of the officers assigned to look after the Stone's would be a guy like Wesley Snipes, Special Ops, marital arts, firearms experts, and so on, more especially a handsome back guy. I see this person getting very close to Grace and possibly becoming her next love interest. major possibilities in addition to keeping NBC in lock-step with the current political environment. 
  6. Jared and Drea seemed to be getting very close in the last few episodes. This could further complicate Michaela's already complicated dilemma cause by Zeke not dying as scheduled. Drea is pretty hot and Jared seems pretty interested.

I have more but please add your "knowns" and their possibilities in S3

Mary Grace, wtfo...

I'm too lazy right now to proof read this so deal with the typos my friends!


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Jul 27, 2020 10:16 pm  

7. We know from photographic evidence that the tail section recovered by the Cuban fishing boat was not the same as the tail section of the Flt. 828 plane that blew up on the tarmac. Was this another "prop failure" and director inattention to detail? In my book this is explainable but what do I know except what I see.

I'd like to comment on #5 as Grace Stone's sex life is one of my favorite parts of the show. So many opportunities for sex acts between Grace and, well, whoever. @marygrace, I like your new idea better than your last one with the Kung Fu master. This one makes a heck of a lot more sense. Wesley Snipes as Detective Shaw, assigned to the 828 task force assigned to protect and provide intelligence on Ben Stone and Cal Stone. A two-edge assignment, the second part, the Stone's are not aware of. He is assigned to the daytime detail (when Ben is not at home) and he gets close to Grace and she does not discourage his attention. Starts with the "looks," goes to the closeness, moves on to the touching, then kissing, the hot sex in Ben's bed. It's a natural progression for Grace. Starts with Ben, the whitest guy in the world, then Danny the mixed race guy, finally Detective Shaw a truly well built, handsome African-American man, total man. Can't wait!


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Jul 28, 2020 8:26 am  

Hello, I am new to this forum and hope to participate as much as I can and am very much looking forward to Season 3. No sure when that will be but better late than never, I suppose.

As for what we KNOW coming out of season 2, I'd like to add:

We know that Saanvi no longer have callings because she somehow corrected the blood maker that existed in her. We know that Zeke turned her down when she, in a crazy state of mind, tried to "cure" him. I am wondering now what Saanvi's relevance is now on the show. She now is just another research scientist/doctor who is or will be wanted for murder, maybe, either by the feds or local authorities. If I were to guess on which main character will leave the show first, my bet is on Saanvi which in Manifestland, means zip, nada, nothing.

We know that Eden has callings. Okay, she's a baby. Who will be the "medium" so to speak who will hear her callings and start action on then. Grace? Ben? Aunt Mich? Olive? Cal? In my opinion, it would be Cal but again who knows in Manifestland? What would be funny is if she developed a connection with Vance or T. J. or even Danny. If it was T. J. and he received an Eden calling, I wonder if he would come running back to NY? Olive would be happy. If it was say, Danny, Grace would be happy and I'm sure Ben would be as well, NOT!

Okay, thanks for letting me in this forum. It should be fun. I'm here because the BS on social media has gotten so nutty that I don't look at it any more. 

Oh and I'm thinking about the other "What We Know" items and will comment later.


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Jul 28, 2020 1:57 pm  

8. Michaela went to the same Judge who freed Zeke to get "legal" authorization to plant a surveillance "bug" in Tamara's bar to spy on her former partner Detective Jared Vasquez because he was up to ... something ... no good perhaps? Detective Vasquez illegally obtains Detective Michaela Stone's investigative files and gives them to Simon White who gives them to NYPD Internal Affairs. Detective Vasquez later arrests Detective Stone to keep her from been murdered by her local police union representative(s).

Then Michaela becomes part of Jared's previously secret undercover operation and helps arrest Simon White. Simon is arrested after he is coaxed into visiting Tamara's bar where he reluctantly agrees to help murder Zeke who later marries Michaela. Don't forget, Simon is also the same man Jared had willingly given Michaela's stolen investigative files. Simon is also the same man who told Jared that his organization Humanity First was "non-violent" and that Jared should watch Billy because Billy was a hot head.

What happens next? Nothing!

So, what happens now? Does Simon White get a fair trial? Does Jared testify for or against Simon? Or does Jared tell the truth, i.e., he illegally stole Michaela's investigative files and gave them to Simon White? That he helped entrap Simon because Simon had earlier expressed that Humanity First was a "non-violent" organization? Will Jared throw the local police union under the police and testify its leadership conspired to murder his ex-fiancee Michaela? And who will be the trial judge? The same judge who freed Zeke who is now Michaela's husband; who is also the same judge who provided Michaela with the "legal" authorization to plant a surveillance "bug" at Jared's then girlfriend's bar to spy on Jared?

I'd be surprised if Simon White and company appear in S3. The plot started with Grace and Cal being ran off the road in a hit-and-run. And the plot ended with Zeke being saved by Jared because of a phone call by Tamara; Jared's now ex-girlfriend and once upon a time bar-owner booty call. Although it still has potential, the Simon White plot is over. There will be no trial. The plot's finished. Just like so many other unfinished plots.

@tjlevi @MaryGrace   


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Jul 28, 2020 2:39 pm  

Mr. Moore (@charles), I think your overall discussion point is that the show starts things and never finishes them and I totally agree. That is the most frustrating thing for me. Things I feel are important just vanish.

One tiny thing that has haunted me is the whole idea of Mrs. Stone's catering business and as far as I can tell, she never goes to work. Is the guy Rob running the business for her? He is, by his own words, Danny's best friend and she knows that. Where is Rob anyway? He was an important character in Grace's moving on from the death of her husband by her own words. I've always wondered about the scene in episode one of this last season when Grace and Olive happen to meet Danny on the street. (Okay, remind me, how big is NYC and all its boroughs? What are the odds?) Anyway, it happened. Olive became angry that her mom did not tell Danny about the baby. Well, what made Grace think that Danny did not know? His best bud works for Grace! Of course he knew. Anyway to my point about your point, yes, they just drop stuff off the edge of the earth. (No, I'm not a flat earther but I could be.)

I'm new so I guess I'll get the hang of this forum. Have a nice day, sir.


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Jul 28, 2020 4:29 pm  

@jill828. Thanks for being gracious and kind; but you don't have to address me as Mr. Moore. I'm just plain ole Charles.

 the show starts things and never finishes them 

You and I are in 100-percent agreement. And yes, it's something that's frustrating, especially when it comes to Grace Stone's character. Not only do we not know anything about her catering business and her interwoven relationship with Rob and Danny, we know absolutely nothing about her backstory, i.e., her father and mother or if she has siblings.

 Olive became angry that her mom did not tell Danny about the baby. 

Olive also told her mom in S1 that it wasn't cool for her to keep Danny a secret from Ben. And Olive straight-up told Grace that she considered Danny her dad, too. Did she think of Danny as being her dad, too, in S2? What about S3? Will Olive's "dad" feelings for Danny resurface or be renewed? Or were Olive's "dad" feelings for Danny like everything else, stuff the writers just dropped off the edge of the Earth?

Thanks for being here, Jill. Your comments are refreshing and stimulating. I look forward to numerous more discussions with you and the other great fans who regularly participate here. 


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Jul 28, 2020 5:22 pm  

@charles, just a thought on her (Grace) family background and the Stone family. When Ben and Cal were lost why would Mrs. Stone seek solace with a complete stranger in a grieve support group? Why not her parents or siblings? Why not Grandma and Grandpa Stone? (Okay Grandma was sick but hey she was grandma and grandparents have a bond with their grandkids that transcends even illness.) If she needed a role model and male figure in Olive's life, what about Jared? What great guy he would have been. It would have been good for Olive and for Jared. Just some guy from some support group? I think Jared would have taught her the importance of telling the truth and not that it is okay to lie and Danny did teach her that. Not a good idea in my opinion. 

You're right Grace's background is a blur. Where was her family during her time of grief? Mom, Dan, Siblings. Heck, an old boyfriend or a friend of her and Ben's that they knew? A stranger! Really? Very strange.

Thank you for the compliments. You're posts get me thinking.


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Jul 28, 2020 8:14 pm  

@jill828. Each of the questions you've posed are evidence of the absence of many of the relevant facts which should have been at the center of Grace and Olive's background and storyline. Which are likely to be included among the relevant facts that will also be absent going into S3. @marygrace

Where are family and friends when you need them?

Grandpa and Grandma Stone had just lost their only two children, Ben and Micheala; and their only grandson, Cal. And as far as we the fans know, what do they do? They do nothing to help Olive, the granddaughter who is their own flesh and blood. And they completely ignore the deterioration and instability of their daughter-in-law, Grace? Which also affected the physical and mental well-being of their only remaining grandchild.

Jared would have been an excellent role model for Olive. And so would her Aunt Lourdes. So, where were they? Maybe Jared was drunkenly crying in his beer and Lourdes was too busy trying to get in Jared's pants to pay any attention to what was happening to Olive and Grace?

Heck, an old boyfriend or a friend of her and Ben's that they knew?

Strange, wasn't it? Grace apparently had no family or close personal friends before Ben and Cal disappeared. And the family and friends she actually knew turned their backs on her when she needed them most. What was the solution? Go to a survivor's support group, meet a stranger who teaches your daughter to lie; and then move him into your home, and share an intimate, loving bed with him? And in doing so, go all in by agreeing to have his baby without marrying him.

In my honest opinion, I don't think the showrunner ever developed a biography for Grace's character. Or a biography for some of the other characters like Lourdes, Fiona Clarke, and the Major. Unfortunately, it is what it is and it's something we must currently endure under the circumstances.

When it comes to the compliment, you're welcome. Your comments are, in-fact, refreshing and stimulating.


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Aug 2, 2020 6:46 pm  

9. Robert Vance died in S1; was discovered to be alive in S2 and will return in S3. Zeke Landon died in S2 and was immediately brought back to life. Zeke will return in S3. Finn Nowak, the father of his one-night stand, Orlena Prager's son, Theo, also died in S2. So did Isaiah, the 828 cult worshiping mass murderer. Saanvi Bahl should have died in S2. But that's a fact which never became a fact.

According to showrunner, Jeff Rake, the Major's death is a fact. The Major was "accidentally" murdered by Saanvi. Will the Major get a reprieve from death in S3 ... like Robert Vance did in S2? When it comes to death, especially science fictional death, a fact is not always a fact. Spoilers follow. No one hated Grimm's Juliette Silverton, Nick Burkhardt's ex-girl friend, more than me.

Sometimes it's better for a villain to be alive than dead

Juliette was responsible for Nick's mom (Kelly Burkhardt) death; Kelly's severed head, which was shown in a box, was as gruesome as anything ever shown on NBC. Of course, Trubel, another Grimm, killed Juliette by shooting an arrow into her evil heart. I jumped for joy and verbally proclaimed to myself ... no more Juliette ... good riddance ... her character should burn in hell for all eternity.

But Juliette didn't burn in hell. She returned from the dead and was resurrected as Eve. It was sheer genius and brilliance on the part of Grimm's showrunner and writers. They made dying and returning from the dead fantastic and worthwhile. Two things I didn't get from Zeke's death and return. Nor was the Major's death something I felt compelled to jump for joy. Can the Major's "untimely" and "meaningless" death enable her to be resurrected as a stronger and more compelling character. I doubt it. 

In my opinion @marygrace @tjlevi @jill828 some characters who die should stay dead. Zeke should have stayed dead. What about Saanvi? Will she die in S3 and be resurrected as a stronger and more compelling character? One can only hope, but I seriously doubt it. When it comes to the characters on Manifest, outside of the off-screen cheating-infested and cuckold-laden romantic entanglement storylines, none of the characters are worthy of resurrection when or if they die. JMO.  


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