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May 12, 2019 9:20 pm  

Now that the premiere episode for season 2 has been scheduled to air in 2020, have fan expectations for the show increased or decreased? Does anyone other than the most dedicated and loyal fan really care about what's happening?

Of course, it's not possible for showrunners and NBC to satisfy 100% of the show's fans 100% of the time. But tbh it would be foolish for the show's executives to think fans haven't been paying attention and will forget everything that has happened within the story and its embedded mysteries. If they don't believe me, they are free to simply ask any Game of Thrones fan.

Fans everywhere absolutely love and support their favorite shows. Manifest fans are no exception. So, what are the expectations for Season 2?

Continuity in Storytelling

The timelines and storylines of the characters must remain synchronized to correspond with all of the events that took place in season 1. Trust me. Fans will remember. I know that I will.

Use less Shades of Gray when painting pictures of Characters

Sometimes it's best to define who and what a character represents on-screen than forcing the audience to guess and or wildly speculate what the hell's going on every time someone shows up. Even too much of what's perceived as a good thing can be a bad thing.

Answer some of the unanswered questions

Not asking for answers to the two main questions, i.e., the identity of the what behind the plane's disappearance and return, and the originator or source of the Callings. But there are virtually a million questions that can be answered.

Make Manifest exciting and unique again

It's all about the mysteries surrounding the plane's disappearance and what happened to the passengers ... and who or what is the cause ... and who did what to whom and why. Shoot-out's ... explosions ... car chases ... and murder and suicide thrown into the mix would be absolutely entertaining and satisfying.

Hopefully, the extended wait for season 2 will be worth it. If not ... we'll have to cross that burning bridge when it's time.


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May 23, 2019 3:58 pm  

It's all about the mysteries surrounding the plane's disappearance and what happened to the passengers ...

Eleven passengers were kidnapped, tortured and experimented on; nine (9) were left in states of catatonic helplessness, and at an unknown location(s). This is an important and intriguing part of the overall and underlying mystery of the story. For some unknown and unexplained reason this storyline was inexplicably abandoned.

I don't know about anyone else, but I expect answers to some of the questions involving these passengers. At a minimum, why these particular passengers were chosen to be kidnapped must be explained. Asking "why" isn't asking much. Not providing the audience with an answer in season 2 could possibly be a fatal mistake.


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May 24, 2019 1:19 am  

There's one season 2 expectation that can be easily fulfilled. There's Paul Santino ... Clarissa Ford ... Audio Campbell ... Anna Ross ... Aaron Glover ... Tim Powell. Then there's Danny. His name always brings cheers and accolades whenever it appears. Obviously, Danny is such a popular character with the fan base he doesn't even need a last name.

But not knowing Danny's last name is not as important as knowing what caused Flight 828 to explode on the tarmac. Knowing exactly what caused the plane to explode would be great. But to the dismay of fans everywhere that probably will not happen. So, that leaves Danny's last name. Season 2 will be the perfect time to reveal his full name.

Fans will cheer in the streets. Dogs will stop chasing cats. Mongoose and snakes will become friends. Just kidding. Everything I said about Danny shouldn't be taken serious. Revealing Danny's last name is something that should have taken place in episode 4 or earlier. Not doing so in season 2 would be ____. You fill in the blank.


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May 24, 2019 7:44 pm  

As a fan of Lost, I'm not sure all of this needs to be answered, the explosion of the plane should be answered soonish, but they should keep a couple more major questions for longer, a couple need to be answered in the final episodes.


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May 24, 2019 8:03 pm  

I apologize for the confusion, i.e., not providing clarity. I wasn't demanding that the back stories associated with Paul Santino, Clarissa Ford, Audio Campbell, Anna Ross, Aaron Glover, and Tim Campbell be revealed. I was attempting (desperately struggling) to show they (characters with less important roles) all had "last names" and Danny did not.

I completely agree. "...  they should keep a couple more major questions for longer, a couple need to be answered in the final episodes." Answering the cause of the plane's explosion may not be possible because that would probably provide the answer to who's behind the callings.


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May 25, 2019 5:33 pm  

When it comes to thought-provoking storytelling, season 1 only provided a quick glimpse of the infinite possibilities that are available in season 2. For example, it's crystal clear that certain government entities don't have a clue as to what's going on (106.2):

VANCE: Finest minds in the scientific community, and they can’t even come to a consensus on the ground rules.

POWELL: Sixth panel we’ve held on this. Pretty much par for the course. Did you see the report from DARPA?

VANCE: The one they tried to bury in 1,000 pages of inconclusive test results? Bureaucratic oversight my ass.

POWELL: Can always count on DoD for some counterproductive territorialism.

On the other hand, some government entities either know more than other government agencies or for some deceptive reason is hiding critical information (106.22):

AGENT: Homeland sent over the 11 passenger dossiers you requested.

POWELL: Five foreign nationals repatriated to their countries of origin, three people in the hospital listed as receiving inpatient care.

AGENT: One in the Bureau prisons custody for an outstanding warrant two with no next of kin.

VANCE: And a partridge in a pear tree.

We now know that a government contractor, UDS, kidnapped those 11 passengers; and used a non-profit organization, Singularity Project, it had funded to torture the passengers in the name of science and national defense (109.9). Don't forget, the passengers were held and involuntarily underwent a series of unknown "medical" evaluations when they returned (103.4).

 BEN: At the airport when we were detained, remember they gave us those vitamin boosters, electrolytes? I mean, there could’ve been something in any of that.

Yes. Grace is pregnant. Saanvi has PTSD and the Major is her therapist. Either Michaela, Jared, or Zeke got shot. And the Stone family will not welcome the arrival of June 2, 2024. But honestly, when it comes down to what's really going on with the mysteries involving the plane and the other 828 passengers, those yet-to-be-resolved cliffhangers are nothing more than inconsequential side-stories.

Marko and Cal's connection remains an incomplete storyline. So does the storyline as it pertains to the Major's involvement with the 11 passengers and Tim Powell ... and the NSA. I look forward to season 2. Don't forget that politicians are secretly involved (110.14). And when politicians are involved, bad situations always seem to quickly get worse. I expect the upcoming season to be substantially better than season 1. As an intrigued fan, I expect nothing less. 

Btw why didn't Congress allocate emergency funds to help the 828 passengers readjust to the impossible and untenable situation these innocent individuals had been unwillingly placed? Just asking. 

 

 


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May 26, 2019 6:15 pm  

The following comment was posted in the Unanswered Manifest Questions forum topics by Schroeswald:

Maybe Harvey's brain tissue was too messed up to test? 

I re-posted the comment here in order to put my thoughts about this particular comment in proper context. First, I realize that death isn't something to laugh about. Second and lastly, the only reason I watch "fiction" or "make-believe" on television is to escape reality and to be entertained.

There's a difference between what's "real" and what's "make-believe." This is why I took the liberty of laughing so hard at Schroeswald's comment that I almost fell out of my computer chair. My laughter wasn't only about Harvey jumping off a building and splattering his brain matter all over Freedman College, it was also about what happened to Kelly and James.

Talk about messed up brain samples? Kelly's brain was blown all over her television screen and living room by a close-range shot from high-caliber hand gun. And James Griffin? He essentially vomited his brains out ... all over the streets of NYC. I know. It's not funny to everyone. Those three scenes weren't intended as humor. But please forgive me, I can't stop laughing.

Which brings me to any potential death of an 828 passenger in season 2. I will not complain or criticize if any passenger, who could no longer cope with their personal situation, would pour gasoline all over his or her body and then walk out into the middle of 5th Avenue and set themselves on fire. A scene that would ignite a fan discussion fire? 

Funny? No. Horrible? Yes. But it wouldn't be any less funny or more horrible than what happened to Kelly, Harvey, and James. As I've stated, I watch television to escape reality and to be entertained. In season 2, I expect Manifest to continue to help me escape reality and to be even more entertaining than season 1. And if I can find laughter in any of the scenes, that's okay too.


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May 27, 2019 10:43 am  

Yeah, I wasn't being serious at all, though I don't think that Griffin vomited his brains out, all the water that would have entered him for the 82 hours and 8 minutes filled up in him, and he had to spew some of it out.


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May 27, 2019 4:16 pm  

Nor was I being serious about stating that Griffin vomited his brains out. I immensely enjoyed and was entertained by the visual. Comparing his death to Kelly and Harvey's was done solely for the purpose of  satisfying my own insatiable dark humor.


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May 27, 2019 7:13 pm  

His death was pretty ridiculous looking, when you start throwing up a bunch of water all over the place to die, you might be in a cartoon.


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Jun 18, 2019 5:12 pm  

The season 1 finale left us with four cliffhangers:

  1. Grace's pregnancy.
  2. Somebody probably got shot.
  3. The Major's now Saanvi's unethical (illegal?) therapist.
  4. Passengers who boarded Flight 828 on April 7, 2013 have all been predicted to die NLT June 2, 2024.

What do I realistically expect from season 2 based on the four cliffhangers? I'm not sure. Like everyone else, I'll have to wait and see. But not being sure doesn't keep me from guessing.

Unless items 1 and 2 are directly related to helping solve the mystery of the plane's disappearance and return, I see these two particular cliffhangers as being nothing other than OMG meaningless soap-opera distractions. Depending on how it's developed, item 3 could be interesting. Item 4 was a powerful cliffhanger and will be central to what happens in season 2.

Here's what Jeff Rake said about season 2:

We need to have a passage of time now that we have this ticking clock of five and a half years. The entirety of Season 1 took place in the short span of six weeks and so viewers can expect that the series will start moving more quickly in terms of moving forward in time, moving characters ahead further in their lives. By that, I don't mean more magical time jumps. I mean just coming back in Season 2 perhaps a little further along than people would expect. And also, trying to move further along from week-to-week throughout the season. You can expect things to move along mythologically, you can expect things to move along scientifically. 

As I stated above, I'm not sure what to expect. But I'll take Rake at his word, i.e., we can expect (demand) that things move along mythologically ... and scientifically. To be honest, I've lowered my own personal expectations for season 2. I'm trying very hard to shield myself from any and all anticipated future disappointments.


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Jul 16, 2019 1:55 pm  

I would love to see the unexpected happen. It would great if the showrunner and executive producers used the multitude of resources, assets, and celebrities available at NBC and throughout New York State. For example:

  1. The spouse abusing attorney Paul Santino (who suffers from memory loss) being interviewed by Ari Melber from MSNBC's The Beat.
  2. The Governor of New York State, Andrew Cuomo, appearing on-screen and addressing the public concerns of the 828 passengers.
  3. Any of the 828 passengers being interviewed on Morning Joe.
  4. Saanvi Bahl on the Rachel Maddow Show.
  5. Locations filmed at historic landmarks, e.g., the Statue of Liberty, Niagara Falls, the Empire State Building, etc.

I could go on ... and on. But I will not. I've already lowered my expectations for season 2. So, there's no reason to disappoint myself by wishing for something that will not happen.


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Jul 19, 2019 1:43 pm  

Besides making money, why are television series produced? To inform, persuade, or entertain fans and the general audience? On the other hand, what are the expectations of fans and the audience when it comes to watching?

It's safe to say that fans want their voices heard. If they didn't, they wouldn't actively participate on fan sites and boards like the magnificent Manifest Viewer's Guide (Unofficial) provided here. Whether the show's executives, writers, or cast are listening or paying attention or not, fans want to voice their opinions.

Here is some advice regarding expectations that executives and writers can ignore at their own peril. More quality control and attention to detail will lead to fewer errors and complaints. For example, listed below are some of the major "jump off the screen" errors and mistakes presented in season 1:

1. Grace stated that her daughter Olive was 15-years old (104.23) when in fact (according to the information presented in the show's own timelines) ... Olive was 16-years old ... now 17.

2. James Griffin robbed an armored car. Allegedly taking in a $75 million haul (114.8). $75 million will not fit into two small-sized lightweight duffel bags (115.1).

3. The hours between Griffin's "resurrection and re-death" do not add up to 82 hours and 8 minutes (116.18):

From last episode, the van was in the river from Wed. 11:06am to Saturday 9:14pm -- which is exactly 82 hours and 8 minutes.  
Add an additional 82 hours and 8 minutes and Griffin should have died on Wed morning at 7:22am.  But the coroner's report indicated that Griffin died at 10:49 am on Tuesday Dec. 11, 2018, which is 61 hours and 35 minutes after Griffin was pulled from the river. 

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4. Harvey Stein, the Angel of Death, was allegedly responsible for Susan Creighton and Rick Moore's deaths (108.15) because he told them about the "callings." But here's the problem:

The clipping of Susan Creighton states she died on December 11, 1996 and Rick Moore died in April of 2018 from lung cancer (c.f. Michaela says they both died in the past few days, and Jared later says that Rick died of a massive heart attack.)

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When it comes to thought-provoking television, fans expect showrunners and writers to pay attention and quality control their own work. Glaring errors and mistakes repeatedly "jumping off the screen" do not show serious intent or credibility when it comes to the showrunner and writers. If fact, such errors and mistakes are indicative that the showrunner and writers aren't paying attention and do not care about the quality of their own work.


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Jul 19, 2019 1:48 pm  

I hate to be bas but, I would be interested in a flashback to the afternoon and evening of the shoplifting event. My opinion is that a mother, any mother, who gets word that her daughter was caught shoplifting could not get home fast enough to tend to that very important parenting opportunity. Different moms may have a different approach to the situation but one thing they all would have in common is that they would deal with it immediately. 

It was very puzzling that Mrs. Stone did not arrive home until late that evening and rather than going immediately to her offending child, she picks a fight with her husband and avoids the question regarding how she found out about the incident. Where was she for 7, 8, or 9 hours?

The flashback that I would like to see is the love scene with Mrs. Stone and Mr. Whatshisname at the culmination of which Whatshisname's seeds were sown. Based on all the "pregnancy math" that has been floated around the various forums related to the show, it is very possible that "Shoplifting Day" could very well be "Conception Day." Maybe we will find out sometime during Season 2. It seems that from people who are in NYC and follow some of the shooting locations plus the various behind the scenes photos on social media there are two actors who are nowhere to be seen at filming locations. Those two would be Karkanis and Sunjata. It seems possible the Grace/Danny/Ben triangle may be on the back burned for several episodes.  Who knows.

Having said all that, what would be the plot advantage of the love child being fathered by Mr. Whatshisname? In my opinion zero plot advantage but it would intensify the family conflict that we thought was calming down. The plot advantage would be that the little one would be sired by Ben. Those out to get the Stones would find out that the baby has inherited the "powers" of the callings with the whatever blood maker. It would then become the "Holy Grail." That would make more sense than Grace popping out a little bastard child just to see what Ben would do. 

Just my opinion.


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Jul 19, 2019 3:18 pm  

Two additional things before I forget.

5. When MA828 landed at Stewart Airport, head flight attendant, Bethany Collins announced that it was 11:49 PM local time (101.2). MA828 was scheduled to land in NYC at 1:40 AM, April 8, 2013, Gate C8 (105.1). MA283, the flight on which the other Stone family members returned, arrived at 11:50 AM, April 7, 2013, Gate C11.

Bethany Collins (actually the scriptwriters) had to have known something was seriously wrong when MA828 arrived at its destination 2-hours earlier than scheduled ... on a 3-hour flight? Two things are definitely important when it comes to flying on commercial airliners ... departure and arrival times. When Collins said it was 11:49 PM, someone responsible for the flight, alarm bells should have immediately went off. Here's a hint: that 'someone' responsible was not Bethany Collins.

Second thing:

 My opinion is that a mother, any mother, who gets word that her daughter was caught shoplifting could not get home fast enough to tend to that very important parenting opportunity.

I completely agree with Tom's opinion. In fact, I agree 100% with each and every word stated in his rational "common sense" based opinion post.


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Sep 12, 2019 2:32 pm  

Manifest fans aren't demanding or expecting more than can be reasonably delivered by the show's cast and producers. Without question, individual fans have their own pet peeves as to what they expect and want to see. But generally, when it comes to science fiction (and Manifest is a science fiction television series), fans expect to be entertained and intellectually overwhelmed with non-stop OMG science fiction-related plots and storylines. Not to be abruptly and mentally interrupted with plots and subplots like those in the old nighttime soap opera television dramas like Beverly Hills 90210 and Knots Landing.

Anyway, here are 10 Things We Want To See In Manifest Season 2 from SCREENRANT. Keep in mind the 10 Things listed by SCREENRANT aren't demands, but portray a general view regarding what a very large segment of the series' fan base wants to see.

Here's the reality. If fan expectations or wants aren't met or satisfied, fans will simply stop watching. Fans have no obligation and can't be forced (or tricked) to watch anything ... including a highly compelling and mysterious drama concept involving the fictitious 5 and 1/2 years disappearance and return of MA Flight 828


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Sep 13, 2019 5:39 am  

When S1 first got underway, fans were encouraged to pay attention to the details. There were clocks virtually in scenes everywhere; always showing the time to be 8:28. The colors "Red" and "Blue" constantly showed up where least expected. The word "STOP" became a mainstay in the Manifest Lexicon. Were we being provided with Easter eggs, aka, hints or clues? Or as far as the storytelling has unfolded, should the above mentioned details simply be ignored?

Of course, ignoring what has happened in S1 is out of the question. For example, obviously the Major was unaware of Cal's extrasensory/kinesthetic link with Marko Valeriev. Perhaps she was aware, but just didn't care? Secretly convened committees in Congress are covertly chasing the "Holy Grail." The Major has decades of experience when it comes to chasing "enigmas." Is the Holy Grail an enigma? Does anyone pursuing the Holy Grail know what it is ... or what it does ... or what it has the potential to do?

Yes, fans have been paying attention. Why wouldn't we? After all, the fans who watch Manifest are sci-fi fans. And unlike mindless reality fake television devotees, sci-fi fans love sci-fi because sci-fi exists within and beyond the boundaries of the imagination.

Fans were encouraged to pay attention to the details of the scenes and plots. I sincerely hope that the showrunner and writers were also paying attention to the details ... and will be able to answer each and every unanswered question  that surfaced in S1. Hopefully, Manifest will have a much happier and more satisfying ending for its fans than Games of Thrones did for its fans. 


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Sep 14, 2019 5:06 am  

It was very puzzling that Mrs. Stone did not arrive home until late that evening and rather than going immediately to her offending child, she picks a fight with her husband and avoids the question regarding how she found out about the incident. Where was she for 7, 8, or 9 hours?

Excellent question. And it's a question that deserves an answer. Either Grace's leaving and delay in returning home was part of a plot within the storyline ... or it was not? Clearly, she left home to meet Danny. Otherwise she could have stayed home and received the phone call she allegedly got from him. Why would she have to leave home to receive a phone call anyway?

You're correct. A flashback is needed to explain why she left home. Let's not forget, she had taken the day off from work because she was worried about coming up with a solution to pay back the $500,000 for Ben's death insurance payment. She also knew that from hearing Olive's voice on the phone she sounded upset and that something was wrong.

So, after taking the day off from work and receiving a phone message from her daughter indicating she was upset, what does Grace do? She leaves home is gone for hours. Upon returning, as soon as she walks through the door, she then deceptively asks Ben a loaded question, "Everything good?" And she gets visibly angry because he didn't immediately tell her about Olive's shoplifting incident.

Either there's a "logical" explanation for Grace's absence (and behavior) via flashback or her unexplained absence (and behavior) was one of the most egregious acts of series plot writing and storytelling in the history of network television. I will not, however, hold my breath and wait for an explanation. Perhaps the writers would rather we overlook the obvious "disconnects" in some of the storylines and mindlessly accept S2 as the show's reset point. And basically forget everything that happened in S1 ... except for the callings and the S1 finale cliffhangers.


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Oct 6, 2019 2:31 pm  

WARNING. This comment contains Spoilers.

I just watched the S2 Comic-Con Trailer.  As stated elsewhere, I've lowered my expectations for S2. It's best to expect less and not be as disappointed than to expect more and be devastatingly disappointed.

It appears that Michaela is having a calling when she is shown back on Flight 828 with Ben and Cal ... and Zeke. Grace shows it and interrupts Ben and Saanvi's expiration date discussion by advertising her pregnancy. Students in Ben's college class are more interested in him and the passengers on Flight 828 than the class itself. Ben's new Padawan is the prime suspect in a murder investigation. Saanvi reveals to the Major something in a counseling session the Major should already know.

Okay. The trailer was effective as far as trailers go. From my experience in watching movies and tv, bad trailers simply don't exist ... at least not intentionally.  And yes, according to NBC ...

"What happened?" is a series-long question for . @jeff_rake says, "by the time we get to the end of season 2, you’ll understand a lot more than you do right now."

One would hope that we understand more by then. Because by the end of S1, a "lot more" meant a "lot more unknowns including more questions about the unknowns." A few things were revealed at NYC Comic-Con about what to expect in some of the upcoming S2 episodes. Hopefully S2 will live up to the hyperbolic hype and not become a major disaster that crashes the expectations of fans ... especially those fans who have lowered their own entertainment standards surrounding expectations for S2.

On the other hand, why should fans have to lower their standards and expectations?


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Nov 6, 2019 10:59 am  

Is it really fair to ask fans to wait until Spring 2020 for S2 of Manifest ... and not provide the viewing audience with a specific return date? Or, at a minimum, why not provide the expected month in which S2 will be released? I'm only speaking for myself, but I keep getting this strange feeling that, when it comes to Manifest, the network and production studios are taking fans for granted.

To be fair, HBO held up on releasing the final season of Game of Thrones for over a year. But NBC is not HBO and Manifest is not Game of Thrones. So, why the hold-up on releasing S2 of Manifest? To ensure episodes are broadcast continuously and uninterrupted? I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not buying this lame explanation although it's being provided freely.

There is simply no way to "guarantee" that any tv show will be broadcast continuously and uninterrupted. A significant news events like the miraculous return of Malaysia Airlines flight 370 could conceptually preempt a S2 episode of Manifest. Of course, if that impossible news event happened, it would render Manifest, as a tv series, moot.

What are S2 expectations for Manifest? Expectations are simple. First and foremost, immediately let fans know the exact S2 premiere date. How difficult could it be? It's not like NBC and Warner Brothers don't have access to a 2020 calendar ... containing all of the months of the year and the precise number days within each month.

Lastly, stop treating fans as if we're stupid. It doesn't matter if it's NBC, Warner Brother, or Jeff Rake, but if you fail to respect the audience's expectations, the audience will not respect you. I know that I'm preaching to the choir. When it's all said and done, why expect anything useful or meaningful from the broadcaster and producers of Manifest? After all, fans are nothing more than a combination of numbers on a spreadsheet, and the storylines and plots are predicated on the results of some randomly chosen focus group. 


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